cbs gave the nod to joe biden. >> biden did well two. ryan was after the independent, undecided voter. biden was after the democrats that were unenthusiastic about people who were not impressed with the obama debate, the true believers, joe took a couple of five-hour energy tkreupblgt drinks beforehand. maybe he over did it a little bit. came out there, he has white treat that he likes to grimace and show and grin as much as possible. he did what he needed to do which is to stay to democrats, obama had a terrible performs are form answer in the first debate and i made up for it in the second. bill: this is joe biden and paul ryan talking about -- ryan reached the point of frustration with the grimacing and interruptions and the smiling and this is what happened. >> this is a man who gave 30% of his income to char ao a tee, more than the two of us combined. romney ace good man. he cares about 100% of americans in this country. and with respect to that kwoerbgts i think the vice president very well knows that sometimes the words don't come